Jesus
You may have heard this name before. Has a big fragmented Church, many claim he thinks the same way they do and worship him for that. Others say it is a big myth that never happened, or simple taking the myths predating Egyptian Pharaohs and sticking a name on those, but not really a real person. Because he is the personification of basic human psychology, we worship him, or hate him. And then there is the argument was there a him at all. Man, that time I spent in College studying religion sure made my head spin. There are a hundred different slants on who he was, if he was, what he was, what a fraud he is, on and on. But I would like to leave that to others, and talk about what if he actually is what the Gospels claim he is, or was, or Is.
Notice I am limiting this to the 4 Gospels of the Bible. That in itself is important because it leaves out the development of all the other writings in the Bible. You already have theological development and embellishment in the four Gospels as they were written a few hundred years after the events described and each one supports a particular flow of thought and development of meaning. I am leaving out all the arguments that the authors of the Gospels and the 12 Apostles were too blind or stupid to understand Jesus and the new “truer” meanings developed today that supposedly Jesus really meant. And as the Bible never claims within itself to be the true written word of God for that is an extra biblical assertion made by some who act like the book is itself Holy. And of course I am leaving out all the other religion who simply state it is false.
What I want to look at is the assertion in the Gospels that GOD, willingly came to earth as on of us, a human, to atone for the separation between us, and God. The Bible (which mean books) traces this back to when we ate of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil and thought of our selves as God. And when God saw this we were cast out of the Garden of Eden. There is the development of The Law that we were to follow, yet none of us could in it’s totality, and those who did tended to worship themselves as being some what god like, thus tending back to why the Bid Toss Out happened. And then you have this Christian message that God came here, paid for all this, and the Gate to Heaven was cast wide open, for those who accept it and acknowledge this has happened by being a believer in Jesus. And yet many of these people talk with the knowledge of good and evil, and thus are tending towards the Big Toss Out.
One central question is were we tossed out because God was made we found this knowledge, or was God trying to protect us? In the story there is also a Tree of Eternal Life near by the tree baring the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. It isn’t a fruit, like an apple, it is the result of the knowledge of good and evil. What would happen if you were to eat this fruit and then become convinced of your godhood, and then eat from the Tree of Eternal Life? It seems to me you would have eternal life, forever convinced of your godhood. You already have enough trouble with a childhood and teenage period convinced of this, imagine this was forever. A lot of people think God tossed us out because He was angry, but it doesn’t say there was anger. I don’t even see that He “judges” them, but more simply sees it, and tosses them out. I suggest this was to assure that they would not eat of the Tree of Eternal Life and thus forever be separated from Him. We are after all discussing a Monotheistic Being. God, and God alone, is God. If you are in a state of self deception about your own godhood, and will for all eternity be in that state, that means you will never return to God. I suggest the meaning is that God tossed us out, gave The Law as a teaching tool, and then when we used that to be godlike, then the Gospels say God stepped in and paved the way back to Him.
Now this of course is not widely accepted, especially by non Christians. There is a moderately amusing video on the Internet of a drunk Jewish teen confront someone on some land in the middle east, not sure where, saying “this is my land, God gave it to me, get off it.” Perfectly in line with the assertions of the Bible. Then there is the line “we killed Jesus and were are proud of it” which is in the middle of a bunch of swearing. Now this is a drunk teenager so you can’t take it as a well reasoned theological position, but it is a good example of self absorbed godhood. And there are lots of drunks teens making similar comments about how horrible Jews are, or Muslims, or communists, or capitalists, or whoever it is your knowledge of what is good and evil has decided is the enemy. But they are not the enemy. The fruit of the knowledge of good and evil is. This is the fire that starts wars, fights, things like that. True it also builds cities, nations, but then that is also the result of wars, fights. Not of peace. And you don’t really have Gods knowledge, you just have your own internal debate, a conversation talking to itself as if it were holy.
There are those who hold that Jesus came here to teach the way to enlightenment. In a sense each of is a god like creature asleep within a dream, and if we woke up we could re-attain our godhood. This argument often comes from people of the individualistic West who think they are following the religions of the East, though those systems don’t teach individualism. Actually they teach more of a monism, or it is all one. As far as I can tell ultimately these systems also have a Monistic Being, but not as pictured in the systems based on Abraham. But now mixing individualism with enlightenment one gets the concept of one as a separated, god that is aware of it’s godness. And of course these people think the entire idea of God casting us out for our good is false, and we are claiming what is ours. We have though our own evolution over trillions of years attained what is ours. There are strains of later day Christians who claim this is what Jesus came to teach and open for us.
Suppose those people who walked with him, assuming he was here, what if they actually meant what they said, without all the reinterpretation, people asserting this is what Jesus meant as he was as wise as they are? What if he was The Way, The Truth and The Light, and no one returns to The Father except through Him? What if he (God) did in fact make the atonement and all things were paid for, the Gate was open, come on home. What of all the zillions of years of reincarnation to attain one’s enlightenment? Kind of a waste of time isn’t it? What if God gave you this clump of dirt for all time? You get to proudly hold it for a few days and then for all eternity don’t have it? So what if Muhammad was the messenger. What if it was all paid for, no reason to fight, to proclaim one another wrong, you will lose it all in death anyway? What good to think yourself a god, to attain the approval of others, but to lose your soul to this lie? What if it is paid for, you have to surrender your struggle to Awaken? You would just be standing here, with God, enjoying Paradise, where you belong. Is that possible? Acceptable? That not by your own efforts you attained eternity? Not as the Sun, but as a single shaft of it’s light, yet totally a part of the Sun? Not as God, but a shaft of Gods Love?
Notice I am limiting this to the 4 Gospels of the Bible. That in itself is important because it leaves out the development of all the other writings in the Bible. You already have theological development and embellishment in the four Gospels as they were written a few hundred years after the events described and each one supports a particular flow of thought and development of meaning. I am leaving out all the arguments that the authors of the Gospels and the 12 Apostles were too blind or stupid to understand Jesus and the new “truer” meanings developed today that supposedly Jesus really meant. And as the Bible never claims within itself to be the true written word of God for that is an extra biblical assertion made by some who act like the book is itself Holy. And of course I am leaving out all the other religion who simply state it is false.
What I want to look at is the assertion in the Gospels that GOD, willingly came to earth as on of us, a human, to atone for the separation between us, and God. The Bible (which mean books) traces this back to when we ate of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil and thought of our selves as God. And when God saw this we were cast out of the Garden of Eden. There is the development of The Law that we were to follow, yet none of us could in it’s totality, and those who did tended to worship themselves as being some what god like, thus tending back to why the Bid Toss Out happened. And then you have this Christian message that God came here, paid for all this, and the Gate to Heaven was cast wide open, for those who accept it and acknowledge this has happened by being a believer in Jesus. And yet many of these people talk with the knowledge of good and evil, and thus are tending towards the Big Toss Out.
One central question is were we tossed out because God was made we found this knowledge, or was God trying to protect us? In the story there is also a Tree of Eternal Life near by the tree baring the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. It isn’t a fruit, like an apple, it is the result of the knowledge of good and evil. What would happen if you were to eat this fruit and then become convinced of your godhood, and then eat from the Tree of Eternal Life? It seems to me you would have eternal life, forever convinced of your godhood. You already have enough trouble with a childhood and teenage period convinced of this, imagine this was forever. A lot of people think God tossed us out because He was angry, but it doesn’t say there was anger. I don’t even see that He “judges” them, but more simply sees it, and tosses them out. I suggest this was to assure that they would not eat of the Tree of Eternal Life and thus forever be separated from Him. We are after all discussing a Monotheistic Being. God, and God alone, is God. If you are in a state of self deception about your own godhood, and will for all eternity be in that state, that means you will never return to God. I suggest the meaning is that God tossed us out, gave The Law as a teaching tool, and then when we used that to be godlike, then the Gospels say God stepped in and paved the way back to Him.
Now this of course is not widely accepted, especially by non Christians. There is a moderately amusing video on the Internet of a drunk Jewish teen confront someone on some land in the middle east, not sure where, saying “this is my land, God gave it to me, get off it.” Perfectly in line with the assertions of the Bible. Then there is the line “we killed Jesus and were are proud of it” which is in the middle of a bunch of swearing. Now this is a drunk teenager so you can’t take it as a well reasoned theological position, but it is a good example of self absorbed godhood. And there are lots of drunks teens making similar comments about how horrible Jews are, or Muslims, or communists, or capitalists, or whoever it is your knowledge of what is good and evil has decided is the enemy. But they are not the enemy. The fruit of the knowledge of good and evil is. This is the fire that starts wars, fights, things like that. True it also builds cities, nations, but then that is also the result of wars, fights. Not of peace. And you don’t really have Gods knowledge, you just have your own internal debate, a conversation talking to itself as if it were holy.
There are those who hold that Jesus came here to teach the way to enlightenment. In a sense each of is a god like creature asleep within a dream, and if we woke up we could re-
Suppose those people who walked with him, assuming he was here, what if they actually meant what they said, without all the reinterpretation, people asserting this is what Jesus meant as he was as wise as they are? What if he was The Way, The Truth and The Light, and no one returns to The Father except through Him? What if he (God) did in fact make the atonement and all things were paid for, the Gate was open, come on home. What of all the zillions of years of reincarnation to attain one’s enlightenment? Kind of a waste of time isn’t it? What if God gave you this clump of dirt for all time? You get to proudly hold it for a few days and then for all eternity don’t have it? So what if Muhammad was the messenger. What if it was all paid for, no reason to fight, to proclaim one another wrong, you will lose it all in death anyway? What good to think yourself a god, to attain the approval of others, but to lose your soul to this lie? What if it is paid for, you have to surrender your struggle to Awaken? You would just be standing here, with God, enjoying Paradise, where you belong. Is that possible? Acceptable? That not by your own efforts you attained eternity? Not as the Sun, but as a single shaft of it’s light, yet totally a part of the Sun? Not as God, but a shaft of Gods Love?